by TonyWilliams (Posted Fri, 24 Feb 2017 21:14:24 GMT+7)
Heck, Ed, I might even unblock you after that logical statement. I don't personally care to compare 100-ish range cars for long distance trips. To be honest, it's a bit nutty to consider them for "normal" driving over a long distance.
I didn't expect you to make a logical comment about my "unreal" graph. That's because it's not unreal. I actually added an arbitrary 1 hour, plus 15 minutes of "not charging / not driving" time, while each person fumbles for the plug. Also, the average speed is 7% below the indicated speed, knowing that no 75-125 mile trip will average 65mph, just because that's how fast you're driving. There's a few other factors thrown in, too. With my now well over 100,000 miles of EV driving, and many long trips under my belt (I think you've gone all the way to Sacto? or SF Bay?).
I think that I've driven an EV more times than you to/from the Mt Shasta area to the Sacto / Bay area. In the last 5 years, I've done it at least 8-10 times. I can tell you that nothing beats a Tesla during my month long, coast to coast drive last year (San Diego, Washington state, Austin, TX, Atlanta, Massachusetts, Buffalo, NY, hit a deer, $38k in damages, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Madison, WI, Rapid City, SD, Montana, Washington state again, San Diego). All EV.. and you ain't gunna do that in your 2011 LEAF, or a 2017 Bolt EV.
The Rav4 EV that I drive charges at that same average 42kW (although up to about 75 - 80% of a 45kWh battery). With a ideal range of about 120-140 miles at freeway speed with a new condition battery, I consider this the ABSOLUTE minimum for a regional touring car. Just like the Bolt EV, I drive 75-125 miles typically, and charge for 30 to 60 minutes typically. There's a huge advantage to the consumption of the Bolt EV over my Rav4 EV, but I wouldn't trade (Bolt EV around 4 miles per kWh at 65mph, Rav4 EV about 3.4 miles per kWh).
So, the shorter range Hyundai might have a bit better consumption at freeway speed? In exchange for a 100 mile car? No thanks. You couldn't give me another "100 mile" range car, although we will buy one for a company car next month (a LEAF, of course).
edatoakrun wrote:You two are welcome to continue arguing over which of these two BEVs can make any trip of eight to eighteen hours a few minutes faster than the other under any realistic assumptions, or even the distinctly unreal assumptions Tony prefers to consider, as graphically displayed above.
But you'd have to be an idiot, IMO, to consider that small a travel time advantage by either BEV a significant reason to choose to buy either of them, when any beater ICEV would shorten total travel time on the same route by hours.
Heck, Ed, I might even unblock you after that logical statement. I don't personally care to compare 100-ish range cars for long distance trips. To be honest, it's a bit nutty to consider them for "normal" driving over a long distance.
I didn't expect you to make a logical comment about my "unreal" graph. That's because it's not unreal. I actually added an arbitrary 1 hour, plus 15 minutes of "not charging / not driving" time, while each person fumbles for the plug. Also, the average speed is 7% below the indicated speed, knowing that no 75-125 mile trip will average 65mph, just because that's how fast you're driving. There's a few other factors thrown in, too. With my now well over 100,000 miles of EV driving, and many long trips under my belt (I think you've gone all the way to Sacto? or SF Bay?).
I think that I've driven an EV more times than you to/from the Mt Shasta area to the Sacto / Bay area. In the last 5 years, I've done it at least 8-10 times. I can tell you that nothing beats a Tesla during my month long, coast to coast drive last year (San Diego, Washington state, Austin, TX, Atlanta, Massachusetts, Buffalo, NY, hit a deer, $38k in damages, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Madison, WI, Rapid City, SD, Montana, Washington state again, San Diego). All EV.. and you ain't gunna do that in your 2011 LEAF, or a 2017 Bolt EV.
The Rav4 EV that I drive charges at that same average 42kW (although up to about 75 - 80% of a 45kWh battery). With a ideal range of about 120-140 miles at freeway speed with a new condition battery, I consider this the ABSOLUTE minimum for a regional touring car. Just like the Bolt EV, I drive 75-125 miles typically, and charge for 30 to 60 minutes typically. There's a huge advantage to the consumption of the Bolt EV over my Rav4 EV, but I wouldn't trade (Bolt EV around 4 miles per kWh at 65mph, Rav4 EV about 3.4 miles per kWh).
So, the shorter range Hyundai might have a bit better consumption at freeway speed? In exchange for a 100 mile car? No thanks. You couldn't give me another "100 mile" range car, although we will buy one for a company car next month (a LEAF, of course).
