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EVSE Upgrade CABLE FOR TRADE ONLY -'15 NISSAN LEAF
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EPA finds moderate or severe corrosion in majority of diesel fuel underground storage tank systems studied
by GRA (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:56:14 GMT+7)
Via GCC: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/07 ... paust.html
Via GCC: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/07 ... paust.html
tanks (USTs), the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found moderate or severe corrosion that could affect metal components inside both steel and fiberglass underground tank systems. Corrosion inside USTs can cause equipment failure by preventing proper operation of release detection and prevention equipment. If left unchecked, corrosion could cause UST system failures and releases, which could lead to groundwater contamination.
Beginning around 2007, UST owners reported to servicing companies new incidents of severe and rapid corrosion of internal metal components of tanks storing diesel fuel. These reports usually described severe corrosion of equipment in upper portions of UST systems in the regions generally not submerged in fuel. Prior to 2007, a corrosion risk in diesel fuel tanks was considered minor and, if it occurred, appeared in the wetted, or lower, portion of the tank. . . .
EPA began working on this research in 2014 to understand how serious and widespread the metal corrosion problem could be. EPA’s report shows that 35 of 42—83%—of the USTs studied exhibited moderate or severe corrosion, but less than 25% of owners were aware of corrosion prior to the internal inspection. . . .
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Tesla's autopilot, on the road
by GRA (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:10:23 GMT+7)
From the late, great Henny Youngman:
He asked me "How's my wife?" I said "Compared to what?"
Via IEVS:
Note that the Freightliner Cascadia referred to above is the tractor, not a 53-foot _trailer_, whose manufacturer is unidentified (not that it matters much).
From the late, great Henny Youngman:
He asked me "How's my wife?" I said "Compared to what?"
Via IEVS:
http://insideevs.com/ntsb-preliminary-r ... ng-74-mph/NTSB Preliminary Report On Fatal Autopilot Crash: Model S Travelling At 74 MPH
. . . Today the National Transportation Safety Board issued its first findings, reporting that the Model S in question was travelling 74 mph (in a 65 mph zone) at the time of the accident as part of its preliminary report. Also identified was the specific vehicles involved in the accident (a 2014 Freightliner Cascadia 53-foot truck tractor, and a 2015 Tesla Model S).
More of the specific details can be found at the above link, as today’s preliminary report from the NTSB is mostly to ‘start the ball rolling‘, and does not come to any specific conclusion (or recommendations) by the Safety Board on the accident. . . .
Note that the Freightliner Cascadia referred to above is the tractor, not a 53-foot _trailer_, whose manufacturer is unidentified (not that it matters much).
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Charging trips GFCI on my hot tub?
by QueenBee (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:20:13 GMT+7)
Does a UL listing require passing FCC testing?
iluvmacs wrote:QueenBee wrote:Could GFCIs be impacted by noise? I've heard that the Juicebox can not pass UL testing because it's power supply is emitting too much noise.
That can't be true because UL doesn't test for electrical noise. UL tests for safety (like thermal testing, fault conditions, electrocution & fire hazards, etc... all depends on the standard being tested). On the other hand, they may not be able to pass FCC testing (and CE testing for the EU), which are two agencies concerned with EMI. That being said... it's not legal to sell commercial products that don't meet those requirements (though that's only enforced by someone bringing challenge to it).
Does a UL listing require passing FCC testing?
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Active EV-CAN sampling: cell voltages, pack temperatures...
by analyser (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:01:11 GMT+7)
Good point about the manufacture date. However if the serial is not on the every module (like on every module in Prius) you would not have a clue if someone had aready mixed old and new.... I created small program for scanning and checking quickly the dates in Toyota. Will have a loook at the Nissan serial structure - whether it follows the pattern .... As for the "card" - if I get one - we can experiment ....
Turbo3 wrote:...... knowing the battery serial number might tell you something about when/how the battery was manufactured if enough people report their data. Parts of the serial number might change based on chemistry or other interesting factors.
I would guess the "Battery Programming Card" generates a special code number required to marry the VCM and BMS ECU using the battery's serial number. A CAN trace of the process would tell us more about what is going on. I would thing the PCMCIA card includes an encryption chip so it is not going to be easy to bypass it. I don't recall seeing that card for sale so probably only dealers can get it.
Good point about the manufacture date. However if the serial is not on the every module (like on every module in Prius) you would not have a clue if someone had aready mixed old and new.... I created small program for scanning and checking quickly the dates in Toyota. Will have a loook at the Nissan serial structure - whether it follows the pattern .... As for the "card" - if I get one - we can experiment ....
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Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs
by QueenBee (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:27:25 GMT+7)
Congrats, soo happy for you!
vgonzalez wrote:Quick update, my Nissan Leaf 2011 finally lost it's 4th capacity bar at 55,800 miles and 2 weeks before the 5 year birthday, the dealer has opened a warranty claim against Nissan and soon the Leaf will be getting a replacement battery, here are the reading at full charge (4th capacity bar loss) 41.08 AH, 65.86 G% and 182 grids.
Congrats, soo happy for you!
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How long 'til 4th bar drops?
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Charger Purchase in Lower Mainland(or in Canada)
by medtech1 (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:45:45 GMT+7)
I ended up ordering a HCS-40P from Clipper Creek (US), and I was pleasantly surprised when UPS delivered it from the US to Canada with no surprises (although I had it shipped Worldwide Expedited).
The totals from Clipper Creek was $589 USD, $118 USD UPS shipping (worldwide expedited), and paying $102 CDN (GST/PST tax) when UPS came to my door, the total was only $1059 CDN.
The identical (Rebranded) charger at Costco (although out of stock) would have been just under $40 CDN more ($1096 CDN) with taxes, shipping included.
Sun Country's price in Canada for the same rebranded charger was almost $180 more (rip off).
I was impressed with Clipper Creek when I called and did the order, and the shipping was only 4 days .
Thank you Clipper Creek!
(I'm still annoyed with Sun Country in Canada for not putting any efforts into being competitive).
I ended up ordering a HCS-40P from Clipper Creek (US), and I was pleasantly surprised when UPS delivered it from the US to Canada with no surprises (although I had it shipped Worldwide Expedited).
The totals from Clipper Creek was $589 USD, $118 USD UPS shipping (worldwide expedited), and paying $102 CDN (GST/PST tax) when UPS came to my door, the total was only $1059 CDN.
The identical (Rebranded) charger at Costco (although out of stock) would have been just under $40 CDN more ($1096 CDN) with taxes, shipping included.
Sun Country's price in Canada for the same rebranded charger was almost $180 more (rip off).
I was impressed with Clipper Creek when I called and did the order, and the shipping was only 4 days .
Thank you Clipper Creek!
(I'm still annoyed with Sun Country in Canada for not putting any efforts into being competitive).
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TSLA corporate outlook
by edatoakrun (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:09:04 GMT+7)
Any true believers out there?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-tesla- ... KKCN1062SR
Any true believers out there?
Tesla's Musk sees 'modest' capital raise for next strategic turn
...Last week he unveiled an ambitious plan to expand the company into electric trucks and buses, as well as car sharing.
On Tuesday, Musk said because the plan will roll out over a number of years, it could be mostly funded from sales of vehicles, particularly the Model 3 sedan due to launch in 2017.
While some analysts have questioned how profitable the Model 3 will be, Musk on Tuesday said he expects the car to generate $20 billion in revenue per year and $5 billion in gross profit once it is up to full production of about 500,000 vehicles a year...
On Tuesday, Musk turned his attention to the $5 billion battery plant being developed with Japan's Panasonic Corp (6752.T).
Musk said the factory could ultimately support 1.5 million electric vehicles a year and he was confident the partners could eventually lower battery costs to $100 per kilowatt-hour by 2020...
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-tesla- ... KKCN1062SR
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Charging Timer End Time Only
by GerryAZ (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:36:39 GMT+7)
Try setting the end timer for every day. I have been thinking that the system might consider tomorrow evening as Wednesday and try to complete charge by Thursday morning. I use start and end times with both timers to cover my off-peak power charging Windows so I have never used just an end timer.
Gerry
Try setting the end timer for every day. I have been thinking that the system might consider tomorrow evening as Wednesday and try to complete charge by Thursday morning. I use start and end times with both timers to cover my off-peak power charging Windows so I have never used just an end timer.
Gerry
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Go from Denver to Eisenhower Tunnel in one Charge
by remarquian (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:38:25 GMT+7)
That is interesting.
When I went up Mt Evans with two adults and three children in the car, which took me 9.9 Kwh (via leafspy) to get to Idaho Springs. It was 70ish and I went 55 uphill. Using your calculations, I should have used 12.8 Kwh. [((7526ft - 5280ft)/1000) * 1.5) + (34 / 3.6)].
So that checks out in my benefit.
Then 25 miles from Idaho Springs to the top of the Eisenhower Tunnel (27 / 3.6 = 7.5 Kwh) and an elevation gain of 3631 (3.63 * 1.5 = 5.5Kwh) is about 12.95Kwh.
So about 25.7 Kwh, with a budget of ~27.5.
So how does this sound as a strategy?
If I've got around 17Kwh on the battery at Idaho Springs, just go for it, else charge at Beau Jo's for an hour. The rational being that I'm under budget, and will continue probably to be so. If things start looking crazy, I can always bail and go back to Idaho Springs, it is all down hill.
That is interesting.
When I went up Mt Evans with two adults and three children in the car, which took me 9.9 Kwh (via leafspy) to get to Idaho Springs. It was 70ish and I went 55 uphill. Using your calculations, I should have used 12.8 Kwh. [((7526ft - 5280ft)/1000) * 1.5) + (34 / 3.6)].
So that checks out in my benefit.
Then 25 miles from Idaho Springs to the top of the Eisenhower Tunnel (27 / 3.6 = 7.5 Kwh) and an elevation gain of 3631 (3.63 * 1.5 = 5.5Kwh) is about 12.95Kwh.
So about 25.7 Kwh, with a budget of ~27.5.
So how does this sound as a strategy?
If I've got around 17Kwh on the battery at Idaho Springs, just go for it, else charge at Beau Jo's for an hour. The rational being that I'm under budget, and will continue probably to be so. If things start looking crazy, I can always bail and go back to Idaho Springs, it is all down hill.
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Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme
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Official Southern California Edison thread
by tbleakne (Posted Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:14:14 GMT+7)
Yes, it is good to see others doing well on TOU-D-A. I am surprised how well I have done this year with the new TOU rates moving On-Peak to [2pm to 8pm] weekdays, even though I have been running my A/C at various levels around the clock during these hot spells. However, I am cheating a little with my new super-efficient ductless mini-split A/C system.
I believe many more folks with solar and a EV would prosper under TOU as currently structured, but they are never told about it by their solar installer. As a consequence, they are sold a larger solar array than they really need. A friend of mine in PG&E territory reports that when he got solar several years ago, his solar installer told him TOU was the default plan they recommended to all their customers. My friend does not have an EV and he has been happy. Much of PG&E territory has lighter A/C loads than SCE, but they also have Sacramento and other cities that get very hot in the summer.
Today the NYTimes had another story about the push-back against Net Metering. I was expecting to see stuff about NV or HI, but instead I was surprised to see a disgruntled EV driver from PG&E territory in the story lead. I was going to post this comment in a PG&E thread, but I can't find any thread that is not stale.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/business/energy-environment/why-home-solar-panels-no-longer-pay-in-some-states.html
The story relates how tariff changes can quickly reduce solar payback. In the PG&E case, the On-Peak time has shifted to either 3 to 8pm or 4 to 9pm, with no super-off-peak. Right now I break-even during On-peak 2 to 8, but make my profit during off-peak. A change to 4 to 9pm would hit me hard.
https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/time-of-use-base-plan/time-of-use-plan.page#toua
voltiar wrote:I haven't been following this thread for a while because it's gotten so convoluted with all these rate changes. I will say this: I can't use up my credits fast enough. I've been running my AC non-stop, charging my Volt, running the pool pump and I am still at $280 in credits with $7-$20 summer electric bills and 4 months left in my relevant period. Whatever they are doing, keep doing it. Happy to not have to worry about running the AC when as it's been a blistering hot spring/summer. BTW, I'm on TOUT-D-A with 6k solar on my roof in OC, CA.
Yes, it is good to see others doing well on TOU-D-A. I am surprised how well I have done this year with the new TOU rates moving On-Peak to [2pm to 8pm] weekdays, even though I have been running my A/C at various levels around the clock during these hot spells. However, I am cheating a little with my new super-efficient ductless mini-split A/C system.
I believe many more folks with solar and a EV would prosper under TOU as currently structured, but they are never told about it by their solar installer. As a consequence, they are sold a larger solar array than they really need. A friend of mine in PG&E territory reports that when he got solar several years ago, his solar installer told him TOU was the default plan they recommended to all their customers. My friend does not have an EV and he has been happy. Much of PG&E territory has lighter A/C loads than SCE, but they also have Sacramento and other cities that get very hot in the summer.
Today the NYTimes had another story about the push-back against Net Metering. I was expecting to see stuff about NV or HI, but instead I was surprised to see a disgruntled EV driver from PG&E territory in the story lead. I was going to post this comment in a PG&E thread, but I can't find any thread that is not stale.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/business/energy-environment/why-home-solar-panels-no-longer-pay-in-some-states.html
The story relates how tariff changes can quickly reduce solar payback. In the PG&E case, the On-Peak time has shifted to either 3 to 8pm or 4 to 9pm, with no super-off-peak. Right now I break-even during On-peak 2 to 8, but make my profit during off-peak. A change to 4 to 9pm would hit me hard.
https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/time-of-use-base-plan/time-of-use-plan.page#toua
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Key & Fob
by LeftieBiker (Posted Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:41:56 GMT+7)
On of the things that people shopping for a used Leaf have to be concerned about is whether the car comes with two working fobs. If not, the dealer has to either promise in writing to replace the missing one, or, again in writing, to reduce the final price by about $300. The other, related issue is the Nav system CD card. If that is missing it can be an even bigger hassle and expense than a missing fob, and it's a more immediate problem.
On of the things that people shopping for a used Leaf have to be concerned about is whether the car comes with two working fobs. If not, the dealer has to either promise in writing to replace the missing one, or, again in writing, to reduce the final price by about $300. The other, related issue is the Nav system CD card. If that is missing it can be an even bigger hassle and expense than a missing fob, and it's a more immediate problem.
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So, owners what range are you getting ?
by Marktm (Posted Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:49:48 GMT+7)
Trying my best to get that 4th bar down. My kids live across town - trip option one is all freeway, 61 miles. Trip option 2 is 53 miles, about 1/2 freeway, 1/2 back roads. Must stop for QC on trip option 1 - no way to make it. I can make it with 5-10 miles to spare trip option 2. Trip option 1 - miles/KWH less than 4, Trip option 2 - in the mid 4's miles/KWH. Level II charging at my Son's house - we built a 50 amp 240 VAC adapter for my OpenESVE (only use 16 amps however).
BTW, trip option 2 is relaxing and interesting - much of it in the country. HOWEVER, trip option 1 is likely much harder on the battery. Trip elapsed time is not much different, so option 1 going and option 2 coming back.
Trying my best to get that 4th bar down. My kids live across town - trip option one is all freeway, 61 miles. Trip option 2 is 53 miles, about 1/2 freeway, 1/2 back roads. Must stop for QC on trip option 1 - no way to make it. I can make it with 5-10 miles to spare trip option 2. Trip option 1 - miles/KWH less than 4, Trip option 2 - in the mid 4's miles/KWH. Level II charging at my Son's house - we built a 50 amp 240 VAC adapter for my OpenESVE (only use 16 amps however).
BTW, trip option 2 is relaxing and interesting - much of it in the country. HOWEVER, trip option 1 is likely much harder on the battery. Trip elapsed time is not much different, so option 1 going and option 2 coming back.
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Gid Vs SOC and Cell Balance Issue
by TimLee (Posted Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:01:03 GMT+7)
They could improve.
My first CVLI via LEAF Spy Pro at about two and a half years old and two capacity bars lost had eight cell pairs showing weak.
After quite a bit of deep discharge down to high voltage disconnect and then recharging to 100% most went away.
And that was before Jim revised LEAF Spy Pro to require a much bigger error than the original 2011 manual CVLI test procedure.
The eight are still usually the weakest cells, but with deep discharge and rebalancing they now stay much closer.
GerryAZ wrote:The Leaf Spy screen shots clearly indicate he has a couple of somewhat weak cell pairs. They will likely get worse as time goes on.
Gerry
They could improve.
My first CVLI via LEAF Spy Pro at about two and a half years old and two capacity bars lost had eight cell pairs showing weak.
After quite a bit of deep discharge down to high voltage disconnect and then recharging to 100% most went away.
And that was before Jim revised LEAF Spy Pro to require a much bigger error than the original 2011 manual CVLI test procedure.
The eight are still usually the weakest cells, but with deep discharge and rebalancing they now stay much closer.
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long-term storage (months)
by TimLee (Posted Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:24:42 GMT+7)
The temperature bars are a broad general guide.
Six bars does not mean everything is good.
But they are kind of exponential.
So five is very good.
Six is much worse, guessing twice the capacity loss rate of six.
And seven is getting really bad.
Again probably twice what six is.
But Nissan has not provided any details on capacity loss rates.
What I stated is a guess based on my capacity loss over five plus years.
Have lost four bars.
My guess is that 80%+ of that occurred with battery over 90F.
And half of that may have been over 100F.
Motarra wrote:... Is the battery experiencing higher levels of degradation when operated above 90F for extended periods of time? If so why is the battery temp gauge reading 6 bars which implies everything is good.
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The temperature bars are a broad general guide.
Six bars does not mean everything is good.
But they are kind of exponential.
So five is very good.
Six is much worse, guessing twice the capacity loss rate of six.
And seven is getting really bad.
Again probably twice what six is.
But Nissan has not provided any details on capacity loss rates.
What I stated is a guess based on my capacity loss over five plus years.
Have lost four bars.
My guess is that 80%+ of that occurred with battery over 90F.
And half of that may have been over 100F.
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SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering - City of Industry - 6 Aug 2016
by Boomer23 (Posted Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:27:39 GMT+7)
ALERT for those who reserved a Model 3:
I just got signed up for a PAID phone interview by a market researcher. He's looking for more participants who reserved Model 3.
If interested, call him ASAP. Here's the info copied from the Facebook contact I received:
His name is Jason Heinl.
I work for a market research company in Los Angeles, CA and i'm hosting a Paid Research Study starting this Monday. - $75 for 20 minute survey over the phone for anyone who has pre-ordered the Model 3. Reach me at (818) 530-1013 if you'd like to schedule an appointment.
ALERT for those who reserved a Model 3:
I just got signed up for a PAID phone interview by a market researcher. He's looking for more participants who reserved Model 3.
If interested, call him ASAP. Here's the info copied from the Facebook contact I received:
His name is Jason Heinl.
I work for a market research company in Los Angeles, CA and i'm hosting a Paid Research Study starting this Monday. - $75 for 20 minute survey over the phone for anyone who has pre-ordered the Model 3. Reach me at (818) 530-1013 if you'd like to schedule an appointment.
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