by LeftieBiker (Posted Sun, 24 Jul 2016 23:49:13 GMT+7)
One interesting thing a poster identified on there was working with the dealer to buy from NMAC and working with the dealer to "re-buy" your leaf.
Interesting! I can now afford a longer-range EV so I wouldn't buy my current Leaf, even though I like her a lot, but that might help a lot of people. As for calling NMAC, that only gives you the incentive for the current month. They were saying "No more lease extensions!" from last December right up until they started offering extensions again.
by cwerdna (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:25:50 GMT+7)
BradFoxUS wrote:Thank you. I will try. Most likely, it will be in use by my friend who will be QCing it as much as possible while I am gone. It only takes 3 QC sessions to spike the battery high enough to cap it at 30kW of power output. I barely manage to get on i40 and i440 at those temperatures and it will cut the QCsession speed in half.
Out of curiosity, what type of battery temps (on Leaf Spy) are you seeing when you hit power output caps like that?
by will1992 (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 01:33:47 GMT+7)
Ingineer wrote:UPDATE DECEMBER 1st: Yes, we have units in-stock, but there is high demand right now due to the colder weather and the large number of new Leafs being sold. Contact us to order your unit and to find out if there is any wait time.
We now have a solution for the vexing Leaf climate control. We have figured out how to put control of the energy-hungry heater back in your hands! Now you no longer have to suffer fogged windows, stuffy cabin, and reduced range!
Now when YOU decide you don't want heat, You won't have it sucking power, and you can still independently run the fan, defrost, vent, etc.
Here in my crappy picture, you can see I've set the temp to 90, which should be full heat, and there is no power being consumed by the heater.
With our upgrade, You will now NEVER have heater operation, regardless of set temperature / car temperature, unless at least one of these conditions is true:
1. A/C button is illuminated. 2. Rear Defroster is on. 3. Climate Control timer engages.
I found that controlling the heater with the A/C button is the best and most intuitive. Also, anytime the system is in Auto, the A/C button is illuminated, so this new method is actually more flexible. You can now run any aspect of the system under manual control, and still choose to have heat (or not). You can also have front defrost with no heat or A/C, or just Heat. You also now don't need to run the rear defroster in most "manual" conditions where you still want heat, as during testing we discovered it's on a timer and doesn't stay on.
Note that just because the A/C button is lit, it does NOT mean the A/C will run. The climate control Portland ECU makes this decision and if the parameters call for A/C, only then will it run, and only at the minimum power needed to achieve the set temperature. (The Leaf's A/C is very efficient!) Likewise, in summer the heater will not come on unless the temperature is lower than the set temperature (60 min). The system has enough hysteresis to prevent it from "bouncing" back and forth between heat and A/C. Also, the A/C is a great way to help remove fog from inside the car, even when it's cold, as it removes humidity from the air stream. This is why the ECU, by default, enables the A/C when you press the defrost/defog button. You can bypass this feature by simply hitting the A/C button off right after pressing the defrost/defog button. I recommend you allow the A/C to run at least until the fog goes away though, it's a huge difference! The fog will disappear within seconds with the A/C on.
HOW TO GET IT:
The cost is $138 and it is offered as an advanced replacement. Once you place your order and pay a deposit, we will send you out an upgraded climate control unit. (pending availability) It is super-simple to install, taking only about 5 minutes with a phillips screwdriver, with full instructions included along with a video. Once you have installed your new unit, then ship us back the old unit and your deposit will be refunded. You can also disable the upgrade at any time if you want to return your controls to original behavior, say if you are leasing.
There was a lot of development and testing done on this upgrade to insure flawless and reliable performance for all conditions.
Because supplies are limited, please contact us if you would like to order the upgrade. We can inform you of the availability and also answer any additional questions you may have. Our phone support line is also available 9-5 Pacific Time Monday through Friday. We will send you a PayPal invoice which you can pay with any credit card or a check without needing to open a PayPal account. (note, check payments may take time to clear)
I'd love to hear reports back from everyone on how easy it was to install and how well it's working for you!
Thanks everyone!
-Phil
I really want to use this. My friend recently upgrade his HVAC by same product you show in these post. He tell me the Climate control Device is very efficient, save electricity, east to operate, and its service is good. After talking i decided that i will also use this.
by LTLFTcomposite (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 04:44:57 GMT+7) But Nissan did have a serious bug with the LEAF, and it isn't clear it has been resolved five years later.
by GerryAZ (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:30:02 GMT+7) Air flow around the battery case at freeway speeds will dissipate the heat from charging and driving so I don't think you will have a thermal issue unless you are stuck in slow traffic. Air release vents are in rear of car so I see no benefit for outside air vs. recirculation if you run A/C while charging--use whichever mode is best for conditions. Most airflow around the battery case while charging comes from the electric radiator/condenser fans so that air is heated by the A/C system (and by the onboard charger during L1 or L2 charging).
by 600aweekLEAF (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:14:23 GMT+7) Congrats Steve on making 150k, bummer your car can't make the commute anymore. I too have a substantial commute and use my LEAF to save money. My commute is 44 miles each way, I am actually the Mechanical Designer for a company that makes level 2 EVSE. I purchased a 2014 LEAF on Memorial Day weekend in 2014. My car just turned 63K yesterday (26 mo). We have level 2 charging station at work and have additional level two station at home. I haven't lost a bar yet, but estimate I'm down 12%, though I lost range after purchasing none eco tires. The Ecopia tires wear right off it, drove them to bald and only got 37k. I was fortunate to take advantage of the Georgia EV tax credit of $5k before they eliminated it in 2015. I actually leased two of them so have $10k credit over 5 years. I just turned in the 2015 LEAF with 24K after 2 year a my wife lost her job so I wanted to drop the payment. My goal will be to reach 150K also. I do not use DC quick, only 2 times in the two plus years. My driving patterns have worked out that I can put 600 mi/wk on without quick charging. I level 2 charge 3x/day, once at work, immediately when I get home for 30 minutes and then overnight after all the driving of my kids to work and sporting practices. Haven't spend a dime on maintenance on the car and hope it continues. I hope the 2014 battery holds up a little longer than your 2011.
by BradFoxUS (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:43:39 GMT+7)
cwerdna wrote:
BradFoxUS wrote:Thank you. I will try. Most likely, it will be in use by my friend who will be QCing it as much as possible while I am gone. It only takes 3 QC sessions to spike the battery high enough to cap it at 30kW of power output. I barely manage to get on i40 and i440 at those temperatures and it will cut the QCsession speed in half.
Out of curiosity, what type of battery temps (on Leaf Spy) are you seeing when you hit power output caps like that?
I start seeing a gentle cap on acceleration around 130F. By 145F it will not accelerate beyond 30kW at all and the QC Sessions are capped at 45 Amps max. It's rare that I reach 145F but it does happen about once a month here in North Carolina.
by tkdbrusco (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:01:40 GMT+7) Guy went silent and never got back to me after he said that he was going to. My hunch says that it was and the dealer screwed up. Told him to keep it hush hush?
On the summary page, you show a live readout of the actual energy consumption as a number: #V x #A = #kW.
It would be nice to also have a live readout of the actual DTE based on the current consumption and your speed rather than from the average mi/kWh. It would allow you to determine at a glance how far you can really continue driving on the highway before you need to stop to charge.
Ideally, it would be nice to have both of these values also in the bar graph so you can quickly see everything at a glance.
by JimSouCal (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:15:31 GMT+7) Maybe get a "CD cleaner disc", and insert the disc that has a tiny cleaning brush on the surface, if skipping happens with all CDs. The optical head can get dirty and won't follow tracks... If it's mechanical, then it's a repair... Not sure what risks there are with the disc but I've tried it on CD player of all kinds with no harm done.. Good luck--my macbook had this happening and a clean put me back in business....
by GerryAZ (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:09:34 GMT+7) Is the EV warning light on on either car? Are there any error lights on the Clipper Creek EVSE? I once tried to charge on L2 after a failed QC and had to use Leaf Spy to clear some DTCs related to charging before the car would charge. You could also try disconnecting the 12-volt battery in each car to clear errors in the cars. Since both cars charge on L1, it is possible that your L2 EVSE or wiring suffered some lightning damage. Carefully check voltages (line-line and line-ground) on both lines feeding your EVSE. Did you have damage to any electronics or other electrical equipment in the house?
by VegasBrad (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:10:55 GMT+7) Hey guys, I found a few typos in this Dryer Buddy list that I corrected, my apologies
DB #5 includes a kWh meter instead of the base V/A meter DB #4 has always had one 10-30 and one 14-50 outlet but showed a 10-50 here. DB #4 Plus version had the same mistake. DB #7 didn't list the second outlet.
by dgpcolorado (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:33:57 GMT+7) Some numbers for you:
Distance, about 60 miles, depending on where in the Denver area you start, and the elevation gain is about 5600 feet.
Using Tony Williams' venerable Range Chart, the energy consumption at 65 mph would be about 3.6 miles/kWh at 70ºF. The energy consumption for the elevation gain would be about 1.5 kWh/1000 feet. So:
Some caveats: 1) If temperatures are lower than 70º, as is very likely at higher elevation, the energy use will increase. 2) If speeds higher than 65 mph are used the energy use will increase; conversely, slowing down will reduce energy consumption significantly for several reasons. The speed limit is higher than 65 over much of that route so if you drive the limit you won't make it without a lot of extra charge on the way. 3) If a headwind is encountered energy use will increase drastically. Been there, done that. 4) Tires will have less rolling resistance if the pressure is at least 40 PSI; Nissan's recommended 36 PSI is too low for best efficiency. (But tire pressure increases with elevation, and vice versa, something those of us who drive mountains all the time need to keep in mind, so don't put the pressure up at 50 or something like that.)
Can you make it? Perhaps, in warm weather, driving gently and fairly slowly, despite traffic going much faster. I wouldn't think it would be much fun without a good long charge stop in Idaho Springs. If you could start with a full charge in Golden and then take US-6 until it merges with the freeway, it might make the trip easier.
by starfuryomega (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:09:50 GMT+7) I wanted to bring this thread back up. Glad to know that there are some other Raleigh-Durham LEAFers on this site! For you locals, I would love to know how are your LEAFs treating you lately? Any expensive maintenances? any dealers to watch out for when it comes to LEAFs?
I still check the local sites and CarGurus for used Leafs for sale, but there really aren't that many and really not great deals, IMO. Most 2012s are around $9k or so, but I can't tell what the battery condition is by the posted photos. Most 2013s are a bit higher (saw an SL for $14k), but then most of them are at Impex in Greensboro which is further than I would want to drive on a used LEAF's range.
New ones are still showing in the high $ 20s to mid $ 30ks and with the depreciation on new models, that's out of the question for me, financially.
Mary Nichols, the Chair of the California Air Resources Board (ARB), says that Volkswagen has improved its cooperation with California regulators to resolve the diesel emissions scandal, according to a snippet from an exclusive interview with her to be published tomorrow (Monday) in Germany’s business and finance daily Handelsblatt. . . .
Via ABG:
VW suspends sales in South Korea ahead of government meeting VW will stop selling 79 different models starting on July 25.
. . . VW will halt sales starting on July 25, the same day that its officials are to sit down with the South Korean environmental ministry, which will likely punish the German company. The Wall Street Journal reports that Korea's response to the situation will likely come in the form of an outright sales ban on Volkswagen products by revoking certifications on 79 different models based on 34 different vehicle types. Affected models include the VW Golf, Jetta, and Tiguan and the Audi A3 and A6, the WSJ reports.
Essentially, it looks like VW is merely trying to get out ahead of the South Korean government. If the revocation goes through, it'd likely lead to fines and a relatively large recall of around 79,000 vehicles, the WSJ reports. Despite the dreary forecast, Volkswagen reaffirmed its commitment to the South Korean market. . . .
. . . Now, a study conducted by the University of California Berkeley’s Transportation Sustainability Research Center (TSRC) concludes that car2go’s carsharing model can complement existing mass transit options; reduces the overall number of vehicles on the road; and ultimately improves mobility in densely-populated urban areas.
Among the study’s conclusions were that, on balance, car2go changes VMT (vehicle miles travelled) by -6% to -16% per car2go household; GHG emissions change by -4% to -18% per car2go household. Overall, the results of this study suggest that car2go one-way carsharing is substantively impacting travel behavior, miles driven, GHG emissions, and the number of vehicles on urban roads within operating regions.
The UC Berkeley study is the first-ever multi-city study to focus on one-way carsharing rather than the traditional round-trip car-sharing model. . . .
Findings included:
Car2go members were found to have sold between 1 to 3 vehicles for every car2go vehicle. 74% of the vehicles reported sold by car2go members were at least ten years old, helping to remove thousands of vehicles with outdated emission systems from urban roads. The average age of vehicles reported sold was 14.4 years old.
Each car2go vehicle was found to suppress between 4 to 9 vehicles. Taking sales of older vehicles and avoided (suppressed) purchases together, each car2go vehicle replaced between 7 to 11 privately owned vehicles across the five cities studied—reducing vehicle miles traveled, greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) and the overall number of cars in urban cores.
Based on car2go NA’s fleet and membership size in 2015, the presence of car2go in the five cities studied was estimated to have taken more than 28,000 cars off of city roads, reducing traffic and parking congestion. . . .
by ebuonaccor (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:27:40 GMT+7) I have an extremely shallow garage and my leaf just barely fits inside making it very difficult to plug the car in. I just ordered a Plugless power wireless charger for my 2016 leaf SV. Just wondering if anyone else has any experience with them. It seems its going to take about 6 weeks for my unit to ship and be installed. I am alittle worried because I lease my leaf but the assured me it will be no problem.
by DNAinaGoodWay (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:31:13 GMT+7) Stef, you're probably not going to get a very big sample size here. Have you searched for "EV driver stats", for example: https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/survey-dashboard/ev There are a lot of others out there.
by ydnas7 (Posted Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:18:35 GMT+7) That next Hydrogen Hyundai had better be free (as in free beer) because its Hydrogen infrastructure costs are greater than providing free Tesla 3 ) or GM Bolt or Nissan LEAF 2.
